Thelenes
Thelenes is invoked as a touchstone of rigorous dialectic in the great dialogs and in casual mathic speech, where his name evokes the moment a debater has maneuvered an opponent into a mistake and proceeds to dismantle the argument. He is also attested in The Dictionary as a historical person confined in a "cloister" prior to execution, with the citation clarifying the term’s older sense in Orth.
First appearance and context
- Mentioned in a Dictionary entry that traces how "cloister" once meant simply a locked or closed space; Thelenes's confinement before execution is used to illustrate that older usage.
- Referred to during a kitchen conversation among avout as shorthand for a decisive turn in a dialog, when Thelenes is about to "slice up" an interlocutor's faulty claim.
- Discussed during a teaching session on the iconographies, where avout traced the Temnestrian pattern back to the satirical play "The Cloud-weaver" and to the legal proceedings against him.
Role and function
- In accounts of the great dialogs, Thelenes is portrayed as a devastating interlocutor. In the dialog Uraloabus, a timely, long-winded interruption by Kefedokhles enables Thelenes—who had been staggered by his adversary’s sarcasm—to regain equilibrium, change the subject, and begin a systematic dismantling of Sphenic thought, culminating in the title character’s public suicide.
- Avout sometimes caution against engaging zealous visitors and proselytizers in "Thelenean dialog," using his name to flag a shift from courtesy to rigorous debate.
Iconographies and cultural reception
- Identified as the namesake for the Temnestrian Iconography, a recurring way Saeculars portray avout: comical at first and then sinister.
- The pattern is traced to "The Cloud-weaver", a satirical play by Temnestra that mocks Thelenes by name and was used as evidence at his trial.
- Such patterns are studied under Iconographies to anticipate outsider attitudes; the Temnestrian form is regarded as dangerous in practice.
- Accounts specify that he was executed by the Saecular Power following a judicial proceeding, distinguishing it from mob violence.
Relationships and references
- Linked to Kefedokhles, whose interruption in one dialog is credited with giving Thelenes the opening for his takedown.
- Frequently invoked as an exemplar of dialectical technique; his name functions as a byword for turning an opponent’s words against them.
Current status
- Deceased (executed by the Saecular Power following a judicial proceeding).
Summary:
A figure from the great dialogs known for trapping interlocutors and dismantling their arguments. He is cited in The Dictionary as a historical person confined before execution and was mocked by Temnestra's satirical play The Cloud-weaver; accounts specify he was executed by the Saecular Power following a judicial proceeding.
First seen:
Part 1: Provener - Chapter 2: Cloister
Part 1: Provener - Chapter 2: Cloister
Most recently seen:
Part 2: Apert - Chapter 10: Avout
Part 2: Apert - Chapter 10: Avout
Known as:
ThelenesThelenean
ThelenesThelenean